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« on: April 03, 2009, 11:47:52 AM »

Hy everybody,

I've read several posts and articles about a new iPhone application called Pagestreamer and created by the Italian Company 8080. Thanks to this new technology a great number of people all around the world could read and buy newspapers directly on the their iPhone. This is a great solution for publishers who could get many advantages from this new app because they could manage subscriptions studying download and usage statistics and monitoring relevant information about their audience. Moreover people could also listen to a multilingual podcast version of each newspaper story, read aloud by a high quality synthetic voice, directly on the iPhone. Let's hope that new technologies like this one can save newspapers and so journalists. If you want to get more info about that you can visit the following website: http://www.pagestreamer.com/index.html
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« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2009, 06:06:03 PM »

So where are the links to the articles you read? Or should we just assume you haven't actually read any, but work for Pagestreamer?
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2009, 08:22:53 AM »

Sorry, you are right!

I've read this article here http://www.iphonestalk.com/reading-international-newspapers-on-our-iphone/, and then searching in Google I found out that this article has been quoted many times also in different languages. Look at this for example http://www.iphoneclub.nl/26565/pagestreamer-maakt-kranten-leesbaar-op-de-iphone/, there are many comments about it. This means that people are really interested in these new technological solutions and so, considering the fact that this topic was closely connected to journalism, I believed it could be relevant also for this forum. My aim was to know the opinion of press professionals considering that I'm studying to become a journalist.

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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2009, 01:24:13 PM »

Posting articles written in Dutch isn't terribly useful for most people on here. I can read it as I speak Dutch, but I suspect I'm in a minority of one or two among users here. This is a UK forum, after all.
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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2009, 03:01:24 PM »

If you really want to, I can mantion other English posts (as I have already told you) but I think it is not the case because you can search by yourself in Google.

Quoting the Dutch article my intention was to demonstrate the relevance of the information that much more than someone has found interesting deciding to translate and publish it on their own blog. Just that.

It was just a demonstration and...thanks I perfectly know that this is a UK Forum, in fact I'm not writing in French.

I don't understand because you are so harshly criticizing against my post.

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« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2009, 12:03:53 AM »

I'm just pointing out that a) you referred to articles but failed to cite sources and b) when you did cite a source it was in a language the vast majority of people would not be able to understand.

You haven't demonstrated the relevance of the Dutch info at all as most people accessing that link from here won't be able to understand it. You may as well have posted a link to an article written in Tagalog on the importance of flossing.

I'm not being harsh, only expecting you to apply the same journalistic standards you'd have to apply to a story, ie that it is verifiable and not PR puff, and can be accessed by readers who wish to follow it up.
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« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2009, 07:53:15 AM »

If I'm not wrong the first link I quoted http://www.iphonestalk.com/reading-international-newspapers-on-our-iphone/ is written in English...isn't it?

After that I have also said that more English articles can be found in the Internet through a simple Google research.

The Dutch article, once again, was just to demonstrate the interantional value of this piece of news and the reason that has convinced me to introduce this information on this blog thinking it could be an interesting subject for journalists in this age even characterized by the crisis of the newspapers industry.

You can just ignore the Dutch article, if you find it unuseful, sorry!

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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2009, 08:01:20 AM »

I think you'll find that the media industry has been discussing the availability of the newspapers in other formats for quite some time. Not necessarily on the iPhone itself but certainly on mobile phones, plus PDAs and other mobile media. It's not breaking news. Except for Apple, of course.
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« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2009, 08:55:19 AM »

Ok, this is your personal opinion! However, I've never talked about "breaking news" but simply about an interesting piece of news that could become an interesting discussion issue in this forum. Just that.

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« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2009, 11:03:42 PM »

It's not my opinion. It's fact. Do some research and you'll find masses of articles have been published about making newspapers available in all manner of non-print formats.
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« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2009, 06:22:05 PM »

My God, Louise! Will you give it a rest!
This person posts a post about an Iphone app with a couple of examples, and you steam over the horizon in your battleship, the HMS Sanctimonious, and proceed to blast away at them in tremendously over the top fashion.
I am astonished at the arrogant tone you use, the rude things you type and the patronising method of your argument. You have the audacity to compare this person's link to an article in Dutch to being as useful as one "in Tagalog about flossing"? They are just showing it's an international thing, and you have to throw in that little nugget that you can speak Dutch while the rest of us spanners won't get the relevance of an article shown in a foreign tongue? Well thanks for that. Round of applause, and a fat woop-de-doo. I think you missed the point there a bit, don't you?
Why are you so busy on here anyway? You must spend ages on this site every day! I sit at my desk (that's right, my desk, in an office, where I am an editor and writer, getting on with my work in the editorial field professionally and respectfully) and do you know what I do to amuse myself over my mid-morning coffee? I log into this site to see what thread or news item or request you've decided to lambast with your lamentably trite, rude, crude and patronising statements of "fact" (the blogger's mantra: If it is typed and posted, ergo it must be fact) and it amuses me. Then I tut-tut and get on with my job. Like you should be doing. Do you do anything other than type posts on here being rude to people and patronising their attempts to get or share info? Get out of your ivory tower and get on with being a writer or a journo, if that is indeed what you are. After all, you must be one if it's been typed and people can see that typing, so it must be fact, right? Put the claws away, stop putting your tuppence-worth in every two minutes and PLEASE try to stop being rude and patronising about 'journalistic style', 'professionalism','not putting links on' and all that sanctimonious drivel. After a while it stops being funny. Really.
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« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2009, 07:40:52 PM »

To be fair to Louise, the original post in this thread does look suspiciously like a plug for a product, and she was right to be sceptical, at least in the first instance.

Unfortunately, some spam does occasionally get through on this board as we currently have a policy of allowing newly registered people to post without moderation (once they have followed a link that is emailed to them on registration).

But, thanks to the vigilance of Louise and others, most of these posts are quickly reported and then deleted by the board's administrators.
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« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2009, 07:45:52 AM »

I'm sorry if my original post seems to be spam or better advertisement, but I really thought it could be a relevant issue for this form, maybe I was wrong, I don't know. After all, that new application can be more useful for publishers than for journalists so I just considered it an interesting issue for discussions: I was curious to know your comments about these new changes in the field of communications, about these new alternatives in an age characterized by (I repeat) the crisis of the newspapers industry. Best regards.
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« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2009, 07:07:35 AM »

Well, well, well. Where to start?

How very interesting that on your very first post, you make a personal attack - something I've never done to anyone here even when I've been at my most critical. That doesn't make you look too good. Or, as is probably more likely, you're already here under another username, in which case choosing to have a pop at me under a pseudonym makes you a bit of a coward really. At least if I have something to say I say it under my own name.

But, let's look at your criticisms of me.

1. I don't think my point about posting links to foreign-language articles is an irrelevance on a UK forum. Yes, I could read the Dutch one, but if it had been in Spanish or Polish or Finnish, for example, I'd have been as much in the dark as anyone else who might have been interested in the link.

2. My busy-ness on here - not that it's anyone's business but mine, but firstly I don't visit here every day, and when I do it's usually for less than 5 minutes. For 99% of the time I don't respond to posts because a) I have nothing to say or b) it's all been said before on here (and not necessarily by me, either).

3. I'm at my desk too. My desk just happens to be at home because I'm freelance. Last time I checked that status didn't make me any less hardworking or productive than a staffer. And I'm too busy working to earn a living to spend more than a few minutes every 2 days or so.

4. You accuse me of not being a journo. I find that laughable given that my career has lasted 30 years. I'm currently a commissioning editor for one publication on a freelance basis, as well as writing for several others. My staff career includes having been the editor of the UK's oldest daily newspaper, The Public Ledger, as well as having worked on a string of other nationally known titles (mainly magazines).

5. You attribute an extraordinary claim to me about "statements of "fact" (the blogger's mantra: If it is typed and posted, ergo it must be fact)" - er, where have I posted anything on here ever from a blog and claimed it as a fact? I'd be careful if I were you as that could be interpreted as defamatory, suggesting I don't check my facts and just randomly quote stuff from blogs.

6. Excuse me but I hadn't realised it was a crime to try and uphold journalistic standards or expect people to behave professionally (something you've failed to do by attacking me). Yes, I'm critical on here, but it's precisely because so many people come on here with no experience asking ridiculous questions about how to break into journalism when clearly they've been too lazy to go to a library and do some basic research on the requirements for becoming a journalist. When I started out in 1978, my first boss was a lot harsher to me than I've ever been on here and like many trainees I went through a bollocking most days as a way of learning on the job the standards that were expected of me. I learned a lot very fast and have applied that ever since.

7. I do actually give constructive advice on here fairly regularly, but you chose to overlook that. As it's clearly not appreciated here, I won't bother any more but offer it on the other forum I use where it IS appreciated.





My God, Louise! Will you give it a rest!
This person posts a post about an Iphone app with a couple of examples, and you steam over the horizon in your battleship, the HMS Sanctimonious, and proceed to blast away at them in tremendously over the top fashion.
I am astonished at the arrogant tone you use, the rude things you type and the patronising method of your argument. You have the audacity to compare this person's link to an article in Dutch to being as useful as one "in Tagalog about flossing"? They are just showing it's an international thing, and you have to throw in that little nugget that you can speak Dutch while the rest of us spanners won't get the relevance of an article shown in a foreign tongue? Well thanks for that. Round of applause, and a fat woop-de-doo. I think you missed the point there a bit, don't you?
Why are you so busy on here anyway? You must spend ages on this site every day! I sit at my desk (that's right, my desk, in an office, where I am an editor and writer, getting on with my work in the editorial field professionally and respectfully) and do you know what I do to amuse myself over my mid-morning coffee? I log into this site to see what thread or news item or request you've decided to lambast with your lamentably trite, rude, crude and patronising statements of "fact" (the blogger's mantra: If it is typed and posted, ergo it must be fact) and it amuses me. Then I tut-tut and get on with my job. Like you should be doing. Do you do anything other than type posts on here being rude to people and patronising their attempts to get or share info? Get out of your ivory tower and get on with being a writer or a journo, if that is indeed what you are. After all, you must be one if it's been typed and people can see that typing, so it must be fact, right? Put the claws away, stop putting your tuppence-worth in every two minutes and PLEASE try to stop being rude and patronising about 'journalistic style', 'professionalism','not putting links on' and all that sanctimonious drivel. After a while it stops being funny. Really.
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