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« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2009, 05:52:56 PM »

To the ironically confused Martin, aka “pom-pom boy”. I see that you managed to shake your pom-poms after just over half-an-hour of my post at 10.42pm last night. But you managed it within five minutes previously. Shaking those pom-poms must be so tiring. Let’s see how you do this time.

And don’t be so hard on yourself by saying that you are boring everyone. This thread is the most commonly viewed subject on this forum after the “poll” and candidates answering “what do you stand for”, according to the forum’s own stats at the time of writing. And I only started it on October 20.

You still seem to be confused at the idea of my condemning a political faction as distinct from members of that faction. I was careful in my e-mail circular not to launch a personal attack on any individual.

As I said previously on this forum: “My e-mail circular condemned ‘NUJ Left’, its aims and the fielding of a candidate without that being declared properly to the electorate: there was nothing personal about it.” There was, indeed, nothing personal about my attack, and that is shown by the fact that I have not automatically condemned anyone even if s/he is part of “NUJ Left”.

Martin, put down the pom-poms for a few minutes, and read my e-mail circular. It is really very clear.

It can be inferred from what I have said that I regard Richard Simcox’s failure to declare in his election material sent to the electorate the fact that he is the “NUJ Left” candidate as a serious omission. I regard that omission as wrong. It was a mistake. A serious mistake. I think that the electorate, the NUJ members, had a right to know. Hey, maybe they don’t care. I hope they do. We will see. Beyond that, I have not criticised Richard personally.

Further, I regard the aims of “NUJ Left”, as I quoted them, to be wrong. The approach is wrong, seriously wrong. I think that the electorate, the NUJ members, had a right to know about what “NUJ Left” is aiming to do. Again, maybe they don’t care. I hope they do. We will see. Beyond that, I have not criticised anyone simply for being in “NUJ Left”.

As I wrote in my e-mail circular: “So, what is ‘NUJ Left’? Several friends of mine have told me that it sounds like just the kind of group to which I would belong. I believe that some people have indeed been lured in by what, to many journalists, would seem an innocuous-sounding group. Ah, they might say to themselves, little, cuddly ‘NUJ Left’.

“Cuddly, it ain’t.

“They call themselves a “coalition”. Where I come from, we use a different c-word: to my mind, they’re a cabal.”

I stand by that, and everything else, I have said.

Now, “walking the walk”. The story so far. I wrote:

“As to ‘walking the walk’, let me remind you of what I actually said in a previous posting on this forum: ‘I have even seen a made-up suggestion that I ‘admit to having no real interest in the union.’ This type of slur is in marked contrast with the factual basis of my e-mail. In fact, I have admitted no such thing. Given that it is demonstrably untrue, why would I? Most members want their union back from the hijackers to focus on issues of concern to NUJ members as journalists. I want us to have our union back. As is clear from my election campaign material, I was joint-FoC on Sunday Business, I fought a battle alongside Jeremy Dear, then as national organiser for newspapers, to seek recognition there for the NUJ. That process stalled, however, after I was fired from Sunday Business for protesting about job cuts. I wonder how many ‘activists’ in ‘NUJ Left’ have lost decent journalistic jobs after standing up for NUJ colleagues. They may well march and stomp, but do they ever walk the walk?’

“So, while you claim that I stated that I was the only person in the union who has ever ‘walked the walk’, I in fact said no such thing. I posed the question as quoted. I did not presume to know the answer in your case, or indeed anybody else’s. However, I notice that neither you nor your friends in ‘NUJ Left’ have answered it.”

You responded, in a half-hour pom-pom flash: “I think you've shown yourself up when attempting to explain your ludicrous remark about walking the walk, so that needs no further comment.”

But, Martin, why so bashful? I know many journalists who have lost decent journalistic jobs after standing up for NUJ colleagues. I am well aware that chapel officials are often especially vulnerable to a bit of management punishment for standing up for colleagues. So, please, put down the pom-poms, and tell Uncle Mark all about the time when you walked the walk. You are, surely, really desperate to tell us. So, tell us about the time that you lost a decent journalistic job after standing up for NUJ colleagues.

You refer to a wannabe pom-pom boy, who claimed that he regretted voting for me 1 and Richard 2 and was seeking advice on how to change it without spoiling the ballot.

Well, we can only ask voters to read what candidates say in their election material. I had written: “I strongly believe in independent journalism, and that must apply to what is published in the Journalist. I would ensure that it keeps independent of the NUJ ‘leadership’ and serves journalists who belong to the NUJ.”

During the course of this election campaign, I discovered important, hard truths about which the vast majority of the electorate knew nothing. As a journalist, it is my duty to report, not to censor hard truths.

As to the suggestion that I wanted to “save the NUJ from the left”, this is further evidence of a failure to read properly. As I said above and in the e-mail circular: “Several friends of mine have told me that it [‘NUJ Left’] sounds like just the kind of group to which I would belong.” I also said in my e-mail circular: “The fact that the group is ‘left-wing’ is irrelevant: a cabal in the NUJ is poisonous regardless of its political hue, extreme or otherwise.”

You seek to deny the comment in my previous post, in which I said: “Both before and after the distribution of my e-mail circular, in online commenting you have performed the role of the cheerleader for the interests of ‘NUJ Left’.”

So, forensically dissect that, you say.

Scalpel, please. Here goes...

As I stated in my e-mail circular: “My election campaign has already brought the existence of ‘NUJ Left’ to somewhat wider attention http://www.foiacentre.com/FOIA-news.html.” Indeed, an article published on the news section of the website of the FOIA Centre, where I am the co-ordinator, headlined, “FOIA specialist in NUJ’s Journalist election” dated 29.09.09, named Richard Simcox as the “NUJ Left” candidate (http://www.foiacentre.com/news-NUJ-Journalist-editor.html).

More detail about “NUJ Left” was published by the FOIA Centre in an article headlined, “Watts campaigns for independent Journalist” dated 12.10.09 (http://www.foiacentre.com/news-NUJ-Journalist-editor-debate.html).

Two further articles published by the FOIA Centre, one dated 12.10.09, headlined, “More journalists support election bid by Watts,” (http://www.foiacentre.com/news-NUJ-Journalist-editor-endorsements02.html) and another dated 15.10.09, headlined, “C4 News anchor Snow backs Watts for editor” (http://www.foiacentre.com/news-NUJ-Journalist-editor-endorsements03.html) also referred to “NUJ Left”.

On 13.10.09 – a week before the distribution of my e-mail circular to NUJ members – you posted a comment on a blog responding to Simon Chapman’s raising of concerns about the aims of “NUJ Left” http://jonslattery.blogspot.com/2009/10/battle-hots-up-for-journalist.html.

Did you forget what you wrote? I will remind you: “Ouch, Simon. ‘Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Communist Party?’ Interesting use of language if you're familiar with 20th Century history.

“Let's not get our knickers in a twist over the NUJ Left. It's one of a number of groupings within the NUJ, like the photographers' network or the subs' network, in which like-minded people organise together.

“And there are lots of us on the left who don't particularly identify with the way the NUJ Left organises, so let's keep things in perspective. I lean left, but I'm thinking of backing one of two other candidates. I don't think that will compromise their independence. People aren't as easily put into boxes as some seem to think.”

And on 20.10.09, shortly after the distribution of the e-mail circular, you began a comment on the same blog http://jonslattery.blogspot.com/2009/10/fight-for-journalist-job-gets-personal.html thus: “It's classic McCarthyism, and also one of the most absurd rants I've read in a long time.”

So, you raised the charge of McCarthyism against a critic of “NUJ Left” before the circular, and the same charge against me afterwards.  As I said: “Both before and after the distribution of my e-mail circular, in online commenting you have performed the role of the cheerleader for the interests of ‘NUJ Left’.” You have of course posted many other comments in a similar vein, including on this forum.

However, as I have noted previously on this thread: “A particularly nasty smear campaign has been mounted against anyone – not just me, it seems – criticising ‘NUJ Left’ as ‘McCarthyist’. (I note the distinction between this use of emotive labels as part of the smear strategy against me and other ‘NUJ Left’ critics, compared with the forensic dissection of my e-mail: again, the distinction between ‘activist’ and ‘journalist’.)

“The ‘McCarthyist’ charge betrays either a poor knowledge of American history of the Cold War, or an inability to read. What marked out the McCarthy witch-hunts was the insistence that a whole range of people, famously including Hollywood actors, to declare their political allegiances.

“However, anyone reading my e-mail would have seen me say: ‘In general, I believe that no one should be under any obligation to declare her or his political allegiance. However, if you stand for office as, for example, a councillor, MP or MEP, you’re expected to declare any political allegiances. Imagine the uproar if a candidate standing as an independent in such an election were discovered to be part of some party.

“‘Why should it be different for a trade union that is supposed to be democratically governed?’”

Oh, dear. Have your little pom-poms been cut to shreds? Never mind, I am sure that your friends in “NUJ Left” can find new ones for you. But I would not go for red ones again. It is not a good look for one’s pom-poms to match the colour of one’s cheeks. Go for pink ones instead next time. Pom pom.
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« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2009, 06:06:51 PM »

To Tom, you omitted to mention whether you are in “NUJ Left”.

Now, you stood for re-election for a seat on the NUJ’s NEC just recently. And you won. Congratulations.

You were an “NUJ Left” candidate in that election, yes?

So, did you tell the members in your election address supplied to them that you were an “NUJ Left” candidate in that election? And did you tell the members in your campaign e-mail circular that you were an “NUJ Left” candidate? I can hardly wait to hear from you on this one.

Do you not think that the electorate has a right to know if someone is a political group’s candidate?

To your queries. You refer to my comment: “After all, I made clear from the outset that if I were Journalist editor, I would ensure its independence.”

You say: “So have all the other candidates.”

Not so. On another thread on this forum, “The candidates – what do you stand for?” I pointed out: “I am unique among the candidates for stressing the importance of ‘independence’ in my election address (and in my answers for the election edition of the Journalist).

“I would urge all potential voters to go through that material, which accompanied the ballot papers.”

And on another thread, “How independent will you be?” I wrote: “I am unique among the candidates for stressing the importance of ‘independence’ in my election address (and in my answers for the election edition of the Journalist). I am truly astonished that no other candidate stressed this. I fully expected to see, when the material with ballot papers came out, several candidates making this point: it so crucial. For me, it cannot be an after-thought.”

If you read that election material, you will see that I am correct.

Your “NUJ Left” candidate, Richard Simcox, objected to that comment in the thread, and you will see my response. I quoted the relevant passage from his election address that he seemed to have forgotten.

He had written: “Our union’s rules give editorial independence to the Journalist. That freedom must be cherished but used responsibly and professionally, so union decisions are scrutinised in a spirit of co-operation.”

So, he mentioned independence in his election address, but these are weasel words.

You say that no candidate has said that s/he would scrap the independent role of the editor. Well done, this one is true. But it is not the point. I am unique among the candidates for stressing from the outset the importance of “independence” for the Journalist. The nearest anyone came to it was Michael Cross, who referred to the Journalist being the “independent journal of the NUJ”.

You say that I am “of course assuming that the interests of the left differ massively from those of the rest of the membership.” Wrong again. I say that the interests of “NUJ Left” differ from those of the membership. I am also against “NUJ Left” hijacking the word “left”, and the abbreviation “NUJ”, as well as the NUJ itself, of course.

You quote me as talking about a "secretive cabal". Wrong yet again. What I said was: “They call themselves a ‘coalition’. Where I come from, we use a different c-word: to my mind, they’re a cabal.”

You claim that there was a piece about “NUJ Left” in the Journalist earlier this year. Oh dear, wrong again. I guess that you are referring to an article published on page 19 of the January/February edition. It is not a piece about “NUJ Left”. The standfirst on the piece sets it out: “For the last 20 years socialism has been a discredited creed, but the new recession has brought back the idea of the state controlling the economy to protect citizens from the ravages of the market. But socialism is more than that, argues the NUJ’s vice-president Peter Murray – it’s about working people controlling their own lives.”

At the end of the piece appears this little paragraph: “This is an edited version of a speech given by Peter Murray to a forum of the NUJ Left on November 16. There is a website at www.nujleft.org.”

So, where is the piece in the Journalist about “NUJ Left”? As I say, I may have missed it, but so far no one has been able to draw my attention to it. I wonder why that might be.
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« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2009, 09:49:18 AM »

More hard truths published today about what is going on at NUJ HQ: Union staff campaign for ‘NUJ Left’ candidate http://www.foiacentre.com/news-NUJ-Journalist-editor-staff.html.
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« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2009, 06:42:13 PM »

And Greenslade responds:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2009/nov/03/nationalunionofjournalists
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« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2009, 07:07:46 PM »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2009/nov/03/nationalunionofjournalists

Well worth a look, and a chuckle.

John
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« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2009, 10:02:31 AM »

And more hard truths published today about “NUJ Left”. Revealed: SWP helped to re-launch ‘NUJ Left’ http://www.foiacentre.com/news-NUJ-Journalist-editor-parties.html.
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« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2009, 02:19:53 PM »

...and again Greenslade responds:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2009/nov/05/nationalunionofjournalists
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« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2009, 06:39:52 PM »

Kevin Cahill, one of our foremost investigative reporters, and one of many journalists to have endorsed publicly my bid to be elected editor of the Journalist, has decided to go on the record about what he describes as “hanky panky” in the election.

You will see the relevant material on MediaGuardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2009/nov/03/nationalunionofjournalists#start-of-comments

The background is that he was cited in an article quoting some of my endorsers on the website of the FOIA Centre, of which I am co-ordinator, as follows: ‘Kevin Cahill, freelance investigative journalist and author of several books, including Who Owns the World: The Hidden Facts Behind Landownership, said: “Mark Watts stands head and shoulders above the other candidates.”

‘An NUJ member for 36 years, Cahill is a former secretary of the union’s London freelance branch. He is well-known in Britain and Ireland as one of the best “story-getting” investigative journalists and worked with Watts on several political investigations, including into Tory funding, “arms to Iraq”, as well as making a series of revelations for ITV’s World in Action and elsewhere on Jonathan Aitken, the former cabinet minister.

‘Cahill continued: “He has a strong media presence on TV currently and has an absolutely clear vision for where he wants to take the Journalist. What he proposes for the Journalist is exactly what I want to see the Journalist doing. It should break the news on our industry, something that will significantly enhance the reputation of the NUJ.” http://www.foiacentre.com/news-NUJ-Journalist-editor-endorsements02.html

He was cited in a later article in this way: ‘Kevin Cahill, freelance investigative journalist and author of several books, including Who Owns the World: The Hidden Facts Behind Landownership, and who has already come out in support of Watts, called on fellow NUJ members not to allow a candidate who was part of a political faction within the NUJ to take control of the Journalist as its editor.

‘He said: “The appeal to factionalism of any kind is wrong in relation to this job.”

‘A former secretary of the union’s London freelance branch (LFB), Cahill continued: “Over the 36 years of my membership, I have seen right and left damage the union’s purpose and function.”

‘Referring to the newspaper columnist, he added: “Bernard Levin was no contributor to union unity at the LFB, nor were his left-wing enemies. The result was a paralysed branch.

‘“What we should be aiming for here is to get the best possible journalist on the shortlist, into the job.

‘“We need to prove to the wider public that journalism is important, has meaning in their lives, and we will do that through a properly run, properly edited magazine, where all our colleagues find inspiration and stories. For my money, the journalist for the job is Mark Watts.”’ http://www.foiacentre.com/news-NUJ-Journalist-editor-endorsements04.html

This is what Kevin Cahill writes on MediaGuardian: ‘There was a good bit more hanky panky going on than Mark has yet revealed. Someone at Headland House inserted a comment in my blog entry there, making it appear that I had said I wasn’t a member of the NUJ: I made no such comment.

‘When I queried what was going on that was amended to Kevin Cahill is not a member of the NUJ. In fact both were wrong. My sub had accidentally been sent to a colleague’s account, rectified on the spot by membership as soon as discovered. The point being that someone at Headland House was both using internal information and amending blog entries in order to discredit supporters of Mark Watts.

‘Now that goes a good bit beyond what Mark has reported. My blog entry and another by another party, querying the corrupting of my entry, was not posted.’ http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2009/nov/03/nationalunionofjournalists?showAllComments=true#CommentKey:987d26a5-d976-4a31-80ef-ecc389ab4119

Tim Gopsill, the retiring editor of the Journalist, writes a few hours later: “Twas I as editor (not Miles Barter [NUJ campaigns officer, see: http://www.foiacentre.com/news-NUJ-Journalist-editor-staff.html] if that's what you're inferring [sic]) that amended your comment on the NUJ site – as Fiona O'Cleirigh knows since I had correspondence with her, and it was nothing to do with discrediting Mark Watts supporters (declaration of interest – I took the Ahmadinejad shilling from appearances on Mark's show on the ghastly Press TV.’

He continues: ‘Kevin sent two posts at the same time one beginning, "I am an NUJ member..." Naturally I looked him up on the computer and he had been lapsed for arrears of subs in 2006. Tricky one. I suppose I should have posted his comments and then a separate one from myself pointing out he was not a member, but, lazily I guess, I just posted the second one and added the parenthesis at the end (the membership or not of supporters being an issue at the time).

‘Within an hour or so there must have been some contact with the membership dept because his membership was restored after the discovery of some error in the allocation of his subs and the second this was drawn to my attention by Fiona I took it off (to be accused by Miles of "wimping out under pressure from Mark Watts). Apology to Kevin for the brief slur.’ http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2009/nov/03/nationalunionofjournalists?showAllComments=true#CommentKey:41b8b75b-3675-46fe-a955-0121c2008395

And he files a further post less than an hour later: “I must apologise to Miles Barter for quoting his email to me in my earlier posting. He tells me that when he sent it he had not known that Kevin Cahill's membership had been restored and thought I had removed the addendum to his posting simply because of pressure from the Mark Watts camp. I accept this and say sorry Miles.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2009/nov/03/nationalunionofjournalists?showAllComments=true#CommentKey:87f4282b-1fa8-4857-99e2-6e0b05d6d833

Hanky panky, indeed.
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« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2009, 07:56:43 PM »

There are two issues Mark.

The first is when did "investigative journalism" mean doing a google search and then claiming "I can exclusively reveal.

Nothing you heave revealed could not have been found by anyone searching google. None of it has been kept secret. The NUJ Left advertised the relaunch meeting in official NUJ emails and material. It hardly a covert group. You pinched most or your latest allegations from a reports at the time in Workers Power http://www.workerspower.com/index.php?id=47,1765,0,0,1,0 - that is November last year.

Given that these people try their damdest to sell these confounded newspapers to as many people as possible, this was hardly a secret. Many of us had said long before you "revealed" the fact, that Simcox was backed by the NUJ Left. You revealed nothing new. You plagiarised and then you sensationalised it.

It was not only poor journalism, it was shameful. I now wonder if all your previous "investigations" were just rehashes of other people's work.

The second, and main point, is that the politics of the editor, just as their religious beliefs and so on, should be irrelevant. There are many great journalists who have strongly held personal convictions but who can write for their respective audiences in whichever magazine or newspaper they are working.

I don't personally think accountants are the most important people in the world, but I never let on when I am writing for accountancy magazines. A good journalist can write a story one way for the Mirror and another way for the sun - each aimed at the particular readership.

If a candidate had said they were not going to be independent but were going to run the magazine from a one-sided perspective, I'd have been worried. Simcox has made clear he does not intend to do that.

You, however, have made clear you do intend to use the Journalist, as you are using your current "front" organisation, to wage a sectarian war on left-wingers.

The journalist needs someone who will be truly independent. You have shown yourself to be incapable of that.
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« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2009, 11:28:32 PM »


I don't personally think accountants are the most important people in the world, but I never let on when I am writing for accountancy magazines. A good journalist can write a story one way for the Mirror and another way for the sun - each aimed at the particular readership.

Thanks for the input Chris - since you mentioned accountancy, is it safe to assume you know how to read a balance sheet?

As 'investigative journalism' seems to be all the rage on this forum, I thought I'd do some of my own. For the princely sum of £2, I looked on the Companies House website, at a couple of the most recent sets of filed accounts for the FOIA Centre Ltd.

I'm afraid I'm not mathematically-gifted, but if the figures quoted for a 'profit and loss' account over a couple of years are all listed in brackets, does that mean the business is healthy, or making a loss? Also, if the business appears to owe a director about the same amount as appears in brackets on the profit and loss account, does that bode well or ill for the future? I'd appreciate your input.

Best regards

John Jones
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« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2009, 04:54:04 PM »

Mark
Thanks for writing about NUJ Left.
As a result of all the publicity during the Journalist election campaign we have had hundreds of extra vistors to our website.
So we have decided to hold a NUJ Left get-together on the evening of the election count.
All NUJ members are invited to join us anytime from 5pm on Monday November 16 for a drink at the Bread and Roses, a pub owned by the trade union movement, on Clapham Manor Street, Clapham, London, SW4 6DZ.
It's just off Clapham High Street where there are loads of buses - and a short walk from Claphan North and Clapham Common tube and Clapham High Street train stations.
http://www.breadandrosespub.com/finding-us.aspx
It will be an entirely informal event in the bar. Please come and ask us about the NUJ Left, discuss the outcome of the Journalist editor election, the union, socialism, or anything else that takes your fancy.
If you don't know what any of us look like we'll be wearing green on white NUJ lapel badges.
 
If you are from outside London you might prepfer to attend the NUJ Left public meeting at 6pm on Thursday November 19 in the Southport Theatre and Convention Centre, Promenade, Southport, PR9 0DZ. All trade unionists welcome.
 
If you would like to join the NUJ Left it costs a pound a month. You can pay for as long as you like. Just see one of us at the Bread  and Roses or at the NUJ annual delegate meeting in Southport.

Miles Barter
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« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2009, 11:39:45 AM »

To John Jones, some friendly advice: do not publish another word anywhere without first reading McNae’s on defamation.
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« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2009, 11:40:31 AM »

Why Roy Greenslade was wrong about ‘NUJ Left’: Mark Watts says that the Guardian media commentator needs to explain why he failed to make proper declarations of interest.

http://www.foiacentre.com/news-NUJ-Journalist-editor-analysis.html
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« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2009, 12:02:19 PM »

The BBC is full of reds - get on to them Mark. Vent your spleen.

The BBC's Newsnight economics editor Paul Mason this morning Tweeted: "Back from a week in Druidstone. Sad to hear Chris Harman died."

Chris Harman was a leading light in your much hated Socialist Workers Party.

Come on Mark. Be consistent. Point out that Mason is not fit to work for the BBC, that he cannot possibly do his job properly holding such views.

Or might it be possible that people of the "left" can make excellent independent journalists?

Be consistent or admit your mistake and apologise to Simcox.
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« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2009, 02:05:32 PM »

To John Jones, some friendly advice: do not publish another word anywhere without first reading McNae’s on defamation.

Thanks for your the suggestion Mark - I've actually got a copy of McNae's on order - I'll look forward to perusing its contents.

Kind regards

John
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