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Last year, Rozina Breen, a senior BBC leader of more than a decade, joined The Bureau of Investigative Journalism (TBIJ) as its new editor-in-chief, taking over from Rachel Oldroyd. In taking up the new role, she saw that investigative journalism had many of the same challenges, plus some new ones.

TBIJ is facing a high-profile SLAPP case and it is fighting to throw it out of court. But there is a second challenge: innovating the beat and inspiring the next generation. That is also the reason why the Bureau has launched a TikTok account recently for vertical video explainers.

In this week's podcast, Breen discussed the new and old challenges of investigative journalism. The main message? "Lift as you climb," she says. Diverse journalists bring news ideas but they need to be helping others break the glass ceiling along the way.

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